BlueHalios: alright, so your banana foam world has really made me start thinking about hypothetical situations. So i began thinking about a new world there are three tribes on this world, One tribe who can _only_ concieve of things in hypathetical situations, the second can not concieve of hypathetical situations, and the third group can can only concieve of conclusions. although this is learned behavior, it is very very strongly ingrained into the society through increadibly heavy taboo... what are the socio-anthropological dynamics of this world?
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BlueHalios returned at 12:51:25 PM.
neomanceristaken: hmm
neomanceristaken: well, teh people who only do the conclusions are hated and feared
neomanceristaken: and the hypothetical people are extremely low on the totem pole
neomanceristaken: they're like the untouchables
BlueHalios: not necisarily, because they would posibly be the most advanced
neomanceristaken: that pretty much assures it
neomanceristaken: or, do you mean the hypothetical people?
neomanceristaken: just because they think hypothetically doesn't mean that they're practical
BlueHalios: yeah i mean the hypos
neomanceristaken: in fact, just the opposite
neomanceristaken: they can never apply anything to what is going on right now
neomanceristaken: "right now"
BlueHalios: for practical discusion we can refer to them as: hypos, nypos, and Ass's
neomanceristaken: haha
BlueHalios: yeah which would prevent them from going to war
BlueHalios: so while others where the most technologicaly advanced
neomanceristaken: it would also prevent them from doing anything when warred against
BlueHalios: they would be the most phylisoficaly advanced
neomanceristaken: SOME of them would be
BlueHalios: they can still react instinctualy
neomanceristaken: the ones who are rich enough to be able to think hypothetically all the time
BlueHalios: instincts havent left
neomanceristaken: instinct still isn't enough, in the real world
neomanceristaken: you have to think applicably
BlueHalios: i actualy came to a similer conclusion as you
BlueHalios: the non-hypos would be the most agresive and the most populace because they couldnt think about the problems with behaveing so
neomanceristaken: they'd be like cro magnon, but with some socrateses interspersed.
neomanceristaken: yeah
BlueHalios: nypos that is
neomanceristaken: irrational
neomanceristaken: nypos=irrational
BlueHalios: well they are all irrational
neomanceristaken: hypos=vacant UNLESS they spend a lot of time thinking about things before they occur
neomanceristaken: Asses=basically omnipotent, but stupid as all hell because they never actaully learn.
BlueHalios: well the problem with the ASS's is they would always be drawing conclusions and acting on it
BlueHalios: so they would both go fowards and backwards
BlueHalios: but they would do a lot of it
BlueHalios: the nypos wouldnt think about going fowards or backwords
neomanceristaken: are we saying the conclusions are RIGHT, or that they just randomly come up with conclusions? are they the conclusions they would come up with if they had the capability to think it through?
BlueHalios: no the conclusions arnt right
BlueHalios: they are just conclusions
neomanceristaken: what about the second bit of my question? that's really important
BlueHalios: so for example they would see a rock on the ground and lift it up after a rainfall, underneith the rock it would be dry, they want to be dry so they would put the rock on there head to prevent themselves from getting wet
neomanceristaken: that's not thinking just in conclusions, that's stupidity
BlueHalios: they can come to conclusions they just cant ask the questions
neomanceristaken: thinking only in conclusions would be like they see a person talking with another, and they conclude all these extraneous details that would require thought. sort of like sherlock holmes, but with no explanation for their resultant.
BlueHalios: right, but they dont know why they come to the conclusions so they cant verify weather they are right or wrong
neomanceristaken: so, a hyper-superstitious society, basically
BlueHalios: yeah in away
BlueHalios: a way*
BlueHalios: see i think they would get along with the hypos because the hypos could ask them questions and when they came to a conclusion they could ask them questions about the conclusions
BlueHalios: see if the groups ever happend to just randomly decided to get work done they could be really slowly productive
BlueHalios: i just realised i created beaucracy world
neomanceristaken: teh conclusions wouldn't be right, though
BlueHalios: they could be right
BlueHalios: or wrong
BlueHalios: the nypos would basicly be the large working class, the Ass's would be the middle managment and the hypos would be the CEO's
neomanceristaken: they would just be conclusions. with no reasoning to explain them, even a chain of conclusions that aren't consistent won't teach anyone anything
BlueHalios: it would posibly be the least/most producive coorperation
BlueHalios: yeah
BlueHalios: aint that a bitch?
BlueHalios: but they can still act on them...
neomanceristaken: sure, but the conclusions would be solid, not hypothetical. and hence useless to the hypos
BlueHalios: yeah but if they work together by hapenstance
BlueHalios: because the conclusion people might be really greatful to the hypos for giving them something to conclude about
BlueHalios: but they might not
BlueHalios: im only offering a possibility
BlueHalios: could you imagin not being able to think hypotheticaly?
neomanceristaken: huh?
BlueHalios: well could you imagin being a nypo?
neomanceristaken: lol
neomanceristaken: no
3 Comments:
Reed says: If a people could only concieve of conclusions, the very nature of conclusion would shift. A conclusion is a response to a question or a problem, so if it is severed from the question/conclusion, yin-yang, entity, a new balance will have to be developed because that is the very law of nature and physics; for every action there is a reaction. Therefore the conclusion people would have to form some sort of symbiosis with the hypos, or develop an innate ability to subconsiously perceive questions and problems-- if they wish to exist in a world fundamentally based and structured upon polarities. Since a species forming a symbiotic relationship with another for metaphysical needs is absurd unless some kind of physkic ability is developed, it is most likely the development will be enternal. Especially considering they evolved with only the ability to conclude, they would likely adapt to it.
So lets say the conclusion person feels a rumbling in his stomach. He can not question what this means, nor forsee a problem. Then the rumbling begins to hurt. Well, assuming the conclusion man still has the ability to desire and to have will, he will inadvertantly conclude that he doesn't like pain. Now, he won't be able to ask what will end the pain, but he will conclude, lets say, that he can stick a branch in his belly. He will of course die. But since the conclusion people exist, one of them must of concluded right, and stuck a banana in his mouth and ate it. Thus he concluded, "Bananas make pain stop." It would of continued like this until a stable population was developed; a population that passed on the neccesary conclusions needed to live. This tribe would by nature only institute change if it was a demand for survival, and even then it would be a terribly slow process. It would be steeped in ritual, and they would be terrible at adaptation. Thus they would go extinct quickly because nature has no love for inefficiancy.
aaron responds: well reed, you presume that they evolved this way, when in fact it was a creation of religous inforcement. second of all the conclusion people can understand questions and problems they just dont have the ability to concieve the problems, that is to say they can not create problems for them selves. also they do have the instintual need to eat and so they do with out thought of it, they dont need to think stuff like i will eat a schedualed time because time exists more in a hypothetical universe.
you people think too much about entirely hypothetical situations
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